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What I find interesting about this discussion is that there isn’t much consideration given to naming the desire to attract women as a woman. I’ve written a little bit about the female gaze—which I concede doesn’t exist because of the inherent and implied power imbalance—but I think that within the understanding and internalization of their inherent consumption by men as objects of desire, women are eager to learn how to signal sexual / romantic availability to other women. There’s no social blueprint and no master consensus, but I think that’s what these TikTok trends are getting at. As a bisexual woman I’ve wondered this too—I understand that femininity can be a performance of sexuality / purity / etc but how would I tweak the performance for a niche audience even though I can’t exclude the general population? Many women abandon the performance of femininity altogether, often adopting masculinity in its place, but what about the rest of us? I think a new term should just be coined so that WLW can more easily explore these possibilities for themselves. The need is there and it’s strong.

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finally! Reminds me of the episode of the Polyester Podcast released earlier today where they’re talking about how an internet trend/ semi-ironic meme takes on a kind of intellectual significance that distorts scrutiny of the actual thing that is being analysed (in todays episode’s case, recession indicators) - I feel like this with the ‘female gaze’; with the ubiquity of the ‘male’ gaze, how will we ever know we are operating outside of it?

Last year, I had a pretty heated debate with a friend over Poor Things and it circled around the miscommunication of the gaze— he argued that Poor Things was misogynistic on account of the sexual content — I felt it was more nuanced than just representing a female body that gets fucked, albeit, a female sexualised object, but to argue that it was “male gazy” felt so redundant, such it its ubiquity. Even his naïveté wrt ladies and BDSM (when I tried to argue that perhaps Lanthimos wanted to explore the nuances of how men navigate and rationalise their sense of ownership over female bodies, he cited the scene where she is tied up as blatant misogyny bc - and I quote - it’s the woman who’s tied up — go figure) was informed by this binary that flattens women’s experiences and desire to be totally relational to how they are positioned towards males — the same binary he was touting as the downfall of the film. He wasn’t willing to discuss anything further as he was so adamant in his diagnoses of the male gaze; as if that set it apart from other kinds of media. I know there’s a lot held in contention about Poor Things and the film does have its faults no doubt, but it’s so frustrating when you’re trying to discuss a convoluted piece of media and any discussion is shut down with decontextualised buzzwords.

If we are to begin to work against the matrices of power that form the very parameters by which we think, we need to acknowledge the molecular level by which it is integrated in us, somehow, as opposed to reasserting it through the insinuation of its alternative.

Rant aside, I fuckin loved this essay, thank you for sharing

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